Is there still a substantial effort of getting Lubuntu 23.10 up and running going on?
I am asking this, because I could nof find any reference to it on the official Lubuntu website.
Iâve seen a good deal of effort going into Lubuntu mantic⌠Until two days ago, it was my daily driver, alas a problem appeared that has me currently using another box which is running Lubuntu lunar (23.04), so I can use my normal primary machine for some testing & exploration.
Most talk on mantic I see on IRC (as is common), with some bug reports
- Qt 6 Staging for Mantic : âLubuntu Developersâ team
- (another bug report I canât find currently that was a more likely)
- LXQt 1.3 is being packaged upstream in Debian; getting closer too
Aaron (@ArrayBolt3) has left the project due to other commitments, thus some team skill/resources has been lost.
In a little over a week, weâll be releasing Lubuntu 22.04.3, so I expect to be modifying our testing checklist to reflect that tomorrow, and start our heavy QA of that (my last conversation(s) with team member(s) related to that).
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I see.
Thanks for the information. YeahâŚI saw that Aaron has been quite active here in the past (as are you and others). I was kinda surprised that he left (soo soon).
Well, now is not a good period. August has just started, and soon I will be on Holiday for the rest of the month and some time in September.
If there is anything I could help with, let me (us) know.
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I am still getting daily builds to test nearly every day.
There have been a few days where I did not have time to test, and a couple that I didnât have time to test as thoroughly as Iâd like. For the latter, I just confirm that the known bugs are there still and give a quick look around to see if I can spot anything thatâs broken.
There is a picom issue but it only seems to sporadically show up in the live instance (which is what I test).
But, I can confirm that things appear to be moving along. There are new testing releases pretty much every day.
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I have a Mantic edition of Lubuntu running on my '12 Mac Pro, overall not radically different than Lunar, except for the first ten minutes or so the graphics card seems to be spinning over at much higher revs than it does in my other linux installs . . . . Eventually it slows down to normal operating speeds . . . I guess the question is why does routine use get the card activated??
Sunday is Lubuntu day in my machine, there were roughly â192â packages to upgrade in the system over the week from the previous Sunday, so something is happening developmentally . . . .
Yeah. Still active. WellâŚ
Let me explain. Lubuntu is based on several giants (of different size).
The first giant is Debian. I canât stop emphasizing how import Debian has been, still is, and will be, for the foreseeable future of the success of GNU/Linux.
The second giant is Ubuntu. This distribution has made Linux available to the masses. And they should be thanked for that, even if you donât agree with the path they seem to have taken (commercially). Ubuntu is a great distribution, but not everyone likes their desktop.
The third giant (albeit of less size or importance) is LXQt, and its direct predecessor LXDE (this is about LXQt, so forget about LXDE, which was another endeavour which I liked, btw.). LXQt provides the desktop, the reason people choose Lubuntu.
Lubuntu is not much more than a thin layer of veneer, but a very nice kind of veneer, not rough around the edges, but just veneer, on the cupboard provided with Ubuntu. There are some other differences between Ubuntu and Lubuntu, but generally spoken, that is what Lubuntu is. An implementation of LXQt on Ubuntu.
I appreciate the effort of the people who are actually actively working on Lubuntu. Lubuntu has been an eye opener to me. I have been using it since long time, and I love it. ButâŚI get the same, or equal satisfaction with using Debian 12 with LXQt.
I said this already a long time ago here on this discourse. Why would anyone, or a very small group of people, bother to keep Lubuntu in the air, when it is just a thin layer of veneer? And some artwork, etc⌠It boils down to me as some kind of narcistic behaviour. "Look MaamâŚIâve managed to build my own distribution, and the friendly neighbour Ubuntu provided me with the machines and support to fix it.
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I sure like that, Debian GNU/Linux is where I first discovered GNU/Linux was more than a hobby platform (ie. more than a toy Unix)⌠I often use the GNU, as I did have respect for GNUâŚ
Wait??; this system Iâm using now I consider a Ubuntu one.
I do see your point though; just not how I want to see it.
Thank you !
Fair enough & youâre lucky. Iâve got a Debian 12 system where Iâm really considering replacing it with 22.04 (originally a Debian 6 install; though Iâve re-installed it whenever the PC needed replacing), though I too am happy with my other Debian systems.
Anyway update on my last message; as Iâd seen LXQt 1.3 appear on my Debian trixie box & mentioned it (on IRC); Iâve been asked to keep a watch out to ensure Debianâs doesnât flow through to our Ubuntu mantic repositories, our own packaging was ~half completed.
Lubuntu mantic users shouldnât see our newer LXQt until itâs all ready; alas thatâs not today. Our 22.04.3 looks good though, as does Xubuntu, Ubuntu-MATE, âŚ
I think Iâve made my point clear enough.
There is absolutely no not need to defend yourself, our your coworkers about what you are doing or are trying to achieve. As alwaysâŚvery much appreciated!
One more point I would like to make is that in biology, economy and technology as well, it is dangerous to rely solely on one manifestation of technology.
I like LXQt, and hence I like Lubuntu. And since I like LXQt very much, I Iike also like e.g. EndeavourOS, which is not based on Debian, but uses LXQt as primary desktop. I also like KDE Plasma 5. A great system, but a bit lazy and sluggish on my aging hardware.
Iâve noticed that LXQt has a regular interval of delivering new releases. However, I do not see much real activity in their codebase. That is worrying me. Besides improving and adding translations, fixing typoâs in de code / comments, and occasional bugfixing, there seems not to be real development happening.
Is LXQt finished in the sense that the roadmap to the future is (almost) empty? If so, that would be a very dangerous and alarming situation. Too many examples in history have demonstrated that lack of innovation is very unhealthy.
Well, perhaps I was a bit negative in recent posts.
I see a great unique selling point for the Lubuntu guys who are customising the default Calamares installation âtrajectâ for Lubuntu.
It would be really great if the Lubuntu installation would only offer to install on encrypted disks or partitions.
Think about it. It is very important. Donât even mention it. Just do it.
guiverc@d7050-next:~$ neofetch
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/ssssssssssshdmmNNmmyNMMMMhssssss/ guiverc@d7050-next
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/sssssssshNMMMyhhyyyyhmNMMMNhssssssss/ OS: Ubuntu Mantic Minotaur (development branch) x86_64
.ssssssssdMMMNhsssssssssshNMMMdssssssss. Host: OptiPlex 7050
+sssshhhyNMMNyssssssssssssyNMMMysssssss+ Kernel: 6.3.0-7-generic
ossyNMMMNyMMhsssssssssssssshmmmhssssssso Uptime: 1 hour, 17 mins
ossyNMMMNyMMhsssssssssssssshmmmhssssssso Packages: 3606 (dpkg), 14 (snap)
+sssshhhyNMMNyssssssssssssyNMMMysssssss+ Shell: bash 5.2.15
.ssssssssdMMMNhsssssssssshNMMMdssssssss. Resolution: 1920x1080, 1920x1080, 1920x1080
/sssssssshNMMMyhhyyyyhdNMMMNhssssssss/ DE: LXQt 1.3.0
+sssssssssdmydMMMMMMMMddddyssssssss+ WM: Xfwm4
/ssssssssssshdmNNNNmyNMMMMhssssss/ WM Theme: Pills
.ossssssssssssssssssdMMMNysssso. Theme: Greybird [GTK2/3]
-+sssssssssssssssssyyyssss+- Icons: oxygen [GTK2/3]
`:+ssssssssssssssssss+:` Terminal: qterminal
.-/+oossssoo+/-. Terminal Font: IBM Plex Mono Text 14
CPU: Intel i5-6500 (4) @ 3.600GHz
GPU: AMD ATI Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series
GPU: Intel HD Graphics 530
Memory: 3746MiB / 15842MiB
LXQt 1.3 (parts anyway) is available now for Lubuntu mantic, though the current daily still uses 1.2.
Thanks @tsimonq2 & developers.
lxqt-about (1.3.0-0ubuntu1) mantic; urgency=medium
* New upstream release.
* Bump build dependencies.
-- Simon Quigley <tsimonq2@ubuntu.com> Fri, 11 Aug 2023 09:48:53 -0500
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I was starting to think that maybe the OP has a point about âthe end draws nighâ as a couple of emails sent to the devel list-serve about issues with Mantic went unresponded to . . . .
But, then yesterday and today . . . emails from the devel list-serve from the âLaunchpad build serviceâ arrived in my inbox . . . . There are âsigns of âlifeââ in the developmental arena . . . as according to the email âstuff is failing to buildâ . . . . There wouldnât be emails about it unless there are âresuscitation squadsâ available to respond . . . to the latest developments happening in Mantic.
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Well Debian Better Fix Debian 12! WE ALL USE Debian Because It Works. Then Came Lubuntu. Serfs UP!
You know what they say: patches welcome 
Thatâs called regular maintenance, and thatâs important stuff some projects donât get enough of.
What revolution are you expecting them to drop?
Well, it sure ainât Openbox, which weâve had the same upstream version of in Debian since 2015.
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I love LXQt and Lubuntu. Yeah, well⌠I tend to make some harsh or tickling remarks, now and then, to keep things active and going.
Glad to see that at least some persons took the time and energy to respond in a positive way.
I know software, I know the process of building commercial software, and I think I know how development of Linux works (the kernel, the various shells, the desktop and system and user land software, etcâŚ). I can only be very humble to, and proud of all the people who work on Linux-software (in a broad sense).
I sometimes compare the development of (any) Linux (system) with a biological process. My only fear is that Iâve got my bettings on the wrong âanimalâ (i.e. the desktop). It may take considerable time to be proven wrong or correct. Many animal species which were very successful long time ago, for a long time, at some time in history disappeared suddenly, quickly, when a terrible accident happened to Earth. Nobody saw that coming.
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